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HOLDEN UTE Used Car Review

Pros

Cons

  • Better ride and handling than a dual-cab ute
  • Rapid performance of V8 model
  • Reliability has improved over the years
  • An Australian icon
  • Windscreen pillar can obstruct vision
  • V8 engines consume plenty of fuel
  • Doesn't have load capacity of workhorse-style utes
  • No longer in production
This is general information and should not be relied on as purchasing advice.
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Top2015 Holden Ute VF II MY16 SS Ute Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 52124 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

Welcome to one of our finest 'Pre-Owned' vehicles. All of our vehicles undergo an extensive 130 Point Check in our state-of-the-art facilities by factory-trained technicians. We have one of the largest ranges of Pre-Owned vehicles in Perth together with an excellent reputation. Should you be unable to visit us, we'll gladly come and see you at your home or office, at a time that best suits you. Interstate enquiries are warmly welcomed; we will organize your new vehicle transported directly to

$55,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Maddington, WA

Dealer used
10/05/2024

Top2014 Holden Ute VF SS-V Silver 6 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 204000 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.0L

-2014 HOLDEN VF SSV UTE WITH ATTITUDE -LAST OF THE AUSTRALIAN HOLDENS -LOOKS AMAZING WITH THE EXTRAS -THUMPING V8 6.0 LITRE ENGINE -AUTOMATIC TIPTRONIC TRANSMISSION -UPGRADED TRISPOKE WHEELS -DUAL EXHAUST SOUNDS GREAT -OTR INDUCTION -MAFLESS TUNE -HARDLID -TUBLINER -FULL UP TO DATE SERVICE HISTORY -BLIND SPOT MONITORING -KEYLESS TOUCH ENTRY -LEATHER INTERIOR -POWER STEERING -AIR COND -AIRBAGS -PARK ASSIST -PUSH BUTTON START -SAT NAVIGATION -REVERSE CAMERA -X2 KEYS -CRUISE CONTROL -BLUETOOT

$36,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Brooklyn, VIC

Dealer used
10/05/2024

Top2013 Holden Ute VF MY14 SV6 Ute 6 Speed Manual Utility

  • 93000 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 3.6L

WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS and ready to serve your every motoring need!! Our showrooms and vehicles are cleaned and sanitized daily. Obligation free trade appraisals and finance quotes are available over the phone! We can even bring the vehicle to your home or work for an inspection or send you a comprehensive video of the many features of the car. BUYING A VEHICLE HAS NEVER BEEN SO EASY! ENQUIRE NOW!! Located 90mins North of Sydney in Newcastle and access to over 300 Used veh

$25,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Hamilton East, NSW

Dealer used
09/05/2024

Top2015 Holden Ute VF MY15 SV6 Ute Storm White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 138769 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 3.6L

* * * * * INTERNET SPECIAL * * * * * JUST ARRIVED... VEHICLE IS BEING PREPARED FOR SALE... Well priced ute. Automatic. 2 seats. Leather trim. 3.6L V6 petrol engine. Canopy. Tray liner. Roof racks. Mobile phone connectivity. Satellite navigation. Reversing camera. BUY WITH CONFIDENCE! If you are reading this, YES the car is available! Please call us Today or send an email for a quick response from our Friendly Online Sales Team. We have over 100 vehicles in stock available for immediate deli

$25,888 Drive Away^
Ferntree Gully, VIC

Dealer used
09/05/2024

Top2016 Holden Ute VF II MY16 SS V Ute Redline White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 115000 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

***MAY PROMOTION*** - 5 YEAR UNLIMITED KMS WARRANTY PROVIDED WITH THIS VEHICLE - Clear PPSR - LS3 - SSV REDLINE - Brembo brakes - Black Alloy Rims - STOCK CAR (ORIGINAL) - Automatic Transmission - Interstate transport available - Onsite Finance available - Service history available Our Premium showroom located in Fairfield only 8 kilometers outside the Melbourne CBD. Interested parties are encouraged to enquire to discuss your personalise appointment to visit our showroom or virtual tour o

$43,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Fairfield, VIC

Dealer used
6 hours ago

Top2015 Holden Ute VF II MY16 SS V Ute Redline Silver 6 Speed Manual Utility

  • 66748 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

2015 HOLDEN UTE VF II MY16 SS V UTE REDLINE SILVER UTILITY 6.2L RWD Introducing the epitome of power, performance, and style—the HOLDEN UTE VF II SSV REDLINE in stunning Silver. This beast of a machine boasts a commanding 6.2L engine under the hood paired with a strong 6 speed manual gearbox, delivering an exhilarating driving experience every time you hit the road. With its sleek design and RWD capability, this utility vehicle redefines versatility, effortlessly blending work and play. Wh

$56,444 Excl. Gov. Charges
Littlehampton, SA

Dealer used
09/05/2024

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2014 Holden Ute VF MY14 SS Ute Red 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 73650 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.0L

Blaze a trail with this striking red 2014 Holden Ute! Sporting a confident 73650km on the ticker, this exceptional ute drives as brilliantly as it looks. Holden’s reputation for producing workhorses really shines through with a full-service history and recent workshop inspection. An perfect choice for practical, power-driven individuals, its automatic transmission will make your driving smoother, simpler and more enjoyable. The comprehensive service history and two sets of keys make this an in

$35,888 Excl. Gov. Charges
Bibra Lake, WA

Dealer used
46 minutes ago

2012 Holden Ute SS Thunder Limited Edition VE II

  • 206104 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8

**THUNDER LIMITED EDITION** Powerful performance Ute with the well proven 6.0 Litre V8 engine, soft tonneau cover, luxurious sports style partial leather seating, cruise and traction control and many other features. ***One Year Free Unlimited Kilometer Warranty provided, Extendable up to 5 years. Features Includes: * Dual Front Airbag Package * 20 Inch Sport Wheels * Anti-Lock Braking * Good sound system * Auto Climate Control with Dual Temp Zones * Brake Assist * Cruise Control * Central Lo

$19,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Beckenham, WA

Dealer used
2 hours ago

2016 Holden Ute VF II MY16 Ute White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 175479 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 3.6L

Great looking and very popular 2016 Holden VF Series II Ute in white - 3.6i petrol engine - Automatic transmission - Ute - Alloy wheels - Hard lid - Tow bar - Bluetooth - Cruise control - Multi function steering wheel - Reverse camera - Remote start - Air conditioning - Automatic headlights - Power windows and mirrors - USB - Trade ins welcome - Finance options available - Great range of warranties available MD28651 We offer easy and affordable finance options to suit any customer. Located at

$19,970 Excl. Gov. Charges
Victoria Park, WA

Dealer used
5 hours ago

2017 Holden Ute VF II MY17 SS V Ute Redline White 6 Speed Manual Utility

  • 78429 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

SALE - Was $64,990 Now ONLY $63,990 Drive Away! Last of the Iconic Australian built Muscle car - Never to be repeated" SSV Redline 6 Spd Manual Low Country Kms 2 Keys - Good service history Be Quick, Priced to Sell incl All ORC for QLD CRN Holders Your next adventure awaits! Additional OEM Warranty & FINANCE also Available T.A.P. Incuded are the following; Current PPSR -current QLD-RWC-Statuary Warranty Located 4 hours North of Brisbane and 2 hours South of Gladst

$63,990 Drive Away^
Kensington, QLD

Dealer used
5 hours ago

2014 Holden Ute VF White 6 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 196073 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 3.6L

VERY AFFORDABLE COMMDORE UTE,IDEAL FOR ANY PURPOSES WORK OR PLAY,VF SV6 ALLOYS,BUILDERS RACKS,REAR ELECTRIC TONNEAU,EYE CATCHING UTE,TEST DRIVE TODAY,FINANCE AVAILABLE TRADES WELCOME

$13,995 Excl. Gov. Charges
Lidcombe, NSW

Dealer used
6 hours ago

2016 Holden Ute VF II MY16 SS V Ute Redline White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 115000 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

***MAY PROMOTION*** - 5 YEAR UNLIMITED KMS WARRANTY PROVIDED WITH THIS VEHICLE - Clear PPSR - LS3 - SSV REDLINE - Brembo brakes - Black Alloy Rims - STOCK CAR (ORIGINAL) - Automatic Transmission - Interstate transport available - Onsite Finance available - Service history available Our Premium showroom located in Fairfield only 8 kilometers outside the Melbourne CBD. Interested parties are encouraged to enquire to discuss your personalise appointment to visit our showroom or virtual tour o

$43,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Fairfield, VIC

Dealer used
6 hours ago

2015 Holden Ute VF II SV6 White 6 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 250457 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 3.6L

2015 HOLDEN COMMODORE VF II SV6 UTE PRICE $17,990 Get the ultimate performance - Work and PLAY vehicle all in one with this 2015 Holden UTE SV6 VF II. Priced at just $19,990, this beast of a vehicle is ready to take on any task you throw at it. WELL LOOKED AFTER – GREAT LOG BOOK AND SERVICE HISTORY OVER $3,000 for the RIMS ALONE – 20 Inch Vertini Dynasty ($800 per wheel) – OFFSET – Lowered – SITS GREAT on the ROAD – LOOKS EVEN BETTER – BLUE CONNECTIVITY - Auto Climate Control GREAT VALU

$16,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Richmond, NSW

Dealer used
6 hours ago

2011 Holden Ute VE II MY12 SS V Utility Extended Cab 2dr Spts Auto 6sp 6.0i

  • 210624 km
  • Ute
  • Auto

Ladies and gentlemen, gather 'round! Feast your eyes on the crown jewel of Australian automotive prowess, the 2011 Holden Ute VE II MY12 SS V Utility Extended Cab! She's a magnificent blue beauty with a heart of steel. We're talking an 8-cylinder engine, so powerful it could probably pull the Sydney Opera House off its foundation! But don't get any ideas, we're not responsible for any landmarks you decide to tow. Now, this isn't just any ordinary ute, oh no! This is the sports automatic versio

$22,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
6 hours ago

2015 Holden Ute VF MY15 SS V Ute Redline White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 115000 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.0L

This is the V8 SS ute you want to own.."Buy with Confidence "Be assured our prices are market best buys and they do sell quickly........... This vehicle is immaculate and appointed with all the equipment that will make your driving a pleasure and exciting. This vehicle is ready for your immediate inspection and test drive, and we do specialise in online purchasing with complete electronic contracts to your home or office including finance applications and delivery. Look at the list of features.

$41,990 Drive Away^
Ravenhall, VIC

Dealer used
7 hours ago

2008 Holden Ute SS V-Series VE

  • 165500 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 8

*** FINANCE FROM $145 PER WEEK *** * SS-V MANUAL!!!! * BLACK ON BLACK LOOKS MINT * FULL SERVICE HISTORY * 2 KEYS * LEATHER AND SO MUCH MORE Step into a realm of raw power and rugged style with this stunning 2008 Holden Ute SS V-Series VE. This high-performance pick-up is more than just a workhorse; it's a statement on wheels. With a sleek, black exterior that gleams under the sunlight, it promises to turn heads wherever you go. This is a vehicle that asserts its presence on the road with a st

$25,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
7 hours ago

2013 Holden Ute VF 6 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 128982 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 3.6L

**** EX GOVERNMENT*********VF UTE V6 AUTO EX GOVERNMENT SIDI 3.6 ENGINE, 900KMS PER TANK 6 SPEED AUTOMATIC TOUCH SCREEN IQ SYSTEM CLIMATE CONTROL ECONOMICAL V6 ALLOYTECH AUTOMATIC HARDLID EXCELLANT CONDITION ONE OWNER WITH LOGBOOKS COMES WITH ROADWORTHY AND CLEAR TITLE. PRICE IS PLUS ON ROAD COSTS. ( REGO AND STAMP DUTY) WE CAN ARRANGE TRANSPORT AUSTRALIA WIDE. TRADE INS ARE WELCOME, WE HAVE ONSITE FINANCE AT COMPETITIVE RATES ANY QUESTIONS OR

$24,979 Excl. Gov. Charges
Southport, QLD

Dealer used
8 hours ago

2017 Holden Ute VF II MY17 SV6 6 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 81220 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 3.6L

VF HOLDEN UTES EX GOVERNMENT VEHICLES WE HAVE 4 INSTOCK. PRICES FROM $24990.00 to $26990 80,000km to 140,000kms LAST OF THE AUSSIE MADE UTES GOVERNMENT ONE OWNER, FULL LOGBOOKS, VERY WELL MAINTAINED. VF SERIES 3.6 SIDI ENGINE 900KMS PER TANK 6 SPEED AUTOMATIC REMOTE ENGINE STARTING FROM KEY , REAR CAMERA, SELF PARKING FEATURE BLIND SIGHT AVOIDANCE ICY COLD AIR CONDITIONING JUST SERVICED COMES WITH WARRANTY, ROADWORTHY AND CLEAR TITLE. PRICE IS PLUS ON ROAD COSTS. ( GOVERN

$26,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Southport, QLD

Dealer used
8 hours ago

2016 Holden Ute VF II MY16 SS V Ute Redline Herron White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 164110 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

06/2016 HOLDEN UTE VF II MY16 SS V UTE REDLINE, 6.2L LS3 Sports Automatic 6 Speed, With Only 164xxxKm And Full Complete Service History All In Book's With Manuals......12V Socket(s) - Auxiliary, 19" Alloy Wheels, 6 Speaker Stereo, ABS (Antilock Brakes), Adjustable Steering Col. - Tilt & Reach, Air Cond. - Climate Control 2 Zone, Airbag - Driver, Airbag - Passenger, Airbags - Head for 1st Row Seats (Front), Airbags - Side for 1st Row Occupants (Front), Armrest - Front Centre (Shared), Audio - Au

$46,990 Drive Away^
Pakenham, VIC

Dealer used
8 hours ago

2016 Holden Ute Vfii MY16 SS Black Edition White 6 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 163914 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

"2016 Holden UTE SS Black Edition in White. Newcastle dealer. Give us a call for all the details or drop in for a look and a test drive. Finance available TAP. Trades welcome."

$32,800 Excl. Gov. Charges
Beresfield, NSW

Dealer used
9 hours ago

2017 Holden Ute VF II MY17 SS Ute Grey 6 Speed Manual Utility

  • 47391 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

LOW KMS, MANUAL, V8, EXHAUST & CAM PACKAGE! This ute ticks all the boxes 2017 Holden Ute VF II SS Ute Extended Cab offers a unique combination of performance, practicality, and versatility, making it an attractive choice for drivers seeking a high-performance utility vehicle with a sporty edge. Despite its performance-oriented nature, the Holden Ute VF II SS offers impressive practicality and versatility. The extended cab configuration provides additional storage space behind the seats, allow

$59,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Pinkenba, QLD

Dealer used
10 hours ago

2011 Holden Ute VE Series II SS V Utility 2dr Man 6sp 6.0i!!!

  • 152034 km
  • Ute
  • Manual

***finance from $146,00 per week*** 🔧 Workshop City is now open at 56 Division Street in Welshpool and they have a special offer of a FREE SERVICE with every car purchased this month. They can help with all your maintenance and repairs. Buy a car this month to get a FREE SERVICE! ⚙️ Experience the thrill of driving a genuine piece of Australian automotive history with this 2011 Holden Ute VE Series II SS V Utility. This iconic 2-door, black-coloured vehicle comes with a 6-speed manual

$24,480 Excl. Gov. Charges
Victoria Park, WA

Dealer used
10 hours ago

2014 Holden Ute VF MY14 SV6 Ute Silver 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 129789 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 3.6L

Well kept Sports AUTO Ute with low kms for age. This HOLDEN Commodore SV6 Ute is fitted with ARB Rear canopy, Tub Liner, Tow bar and is in very good condition for age. Looks attractive in Nitrate Silver with Black cloth interior and has other features including: CD player Bluetooth Voice recognition Multi function Colour display screen 4 Speaker stereo Reverse Camera Climate control Electric Drivers seat Cruise control Park distance front/ rear Blind spot sensor ABS brakes Traction control

$25,980 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mount Gambier, SA

Dealer used
12 hours ago

2013 Holden Ute VF MY14 SS V White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 152353 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.0L

** From Only $194 Per Week ** Any Inspections Are Welcome – Interstate Buyers Also Welcome – Third Party Independent Inspections Are Welcome – Finance Available – 3 Year Warranty Available – Trade Ins Are Welcome WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ME? • WOW WHAT A BEAST • AUTOMATIC • STUNNING IN HERON WHITE • LOWERED • BRAND NEW 20INCH RIMS AND TYRES • HARD LID • TOW BAR • EXHAUST SYSTEM • LEATHER SEATS • TINTED WINDOWS • HEADS UP DISPLAY • WORKSHOP TESTED AND APPROVED • CLEAR PPSR ON VIN CHECK

$36,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Welshpool, WA

Dealer used
12 hours ago

2013 Holden Ute VF MY14 SS V Ute Redline Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 88287 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.0L

***MASSIVE SALE ON NOW, ALL VEHICLES PRICED TO SELL*** This 2013 Holden VF UTE is in a great condition and presents like a new . Even the fussiest of buyer will be happy. See below to see some of the ’s great features. ***FINANCE PRE-APPROVAL SPECIALISTS: ASK OUR TEAM FOR A PRE-APPROVAL TODAY*** • Passed Dealership Inspection • Automatic UTE • Hard Cover • 6 Speaker Stereo • Lane Departure Warning • Blind Spot Sensor • Camera - Rear Vision • Control - Park Distance Rear • A

$42,990 Drive Away^
Pakenham, VIC

Dealer used
12 hours ago

2013 Holden Ute VF MY14 SS V Ute Redline White 6 Speed Manual Utility

  • 206310 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 8 cyl 6.0L

Looking for a powerful and stylish vehicle to conquer the road? Look no further than this 2013 Holden Ute SS V Z Series! This utility vehicle is built for performance and comfort, with features that will take your driving experience to the next level. Equipped with a 6.0i engine and a manual transmission, this Holden Ute is ready to tackle any adventure. With 19" alloy wheels, sports seats, and a leather interior, you'll be cruising in style and luxury. Stay connected and entertained on the g

$29,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Elderslie, NSW

Dealer used
14 hours ago

2016 Holden Ute VF II MY16 SS Ute White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 130472 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

v We are located 15 minutes SOUTHSIDE BRISBANE CBD (Magic Mile), This Car is Still AVAILABLE. v 3 Year Unlimited Km ** FREE ** Warranty on FULL purchase price. v 'NO HAGGLE’ The final drive away price is displayed on every car. v The price shown INCLUDE Registration and Government charges v We are an MTAQ member v All of our vehicles come with a PPSR security certificate . v QLD Safety Certificate. v Every car has already been given a multi-point safety check. v FINANCE AVAILABLE

$44,990 Drive Away^
Moorooka, QLD

Dealer used
16 hours ago

2007 Holden Ute VE Series II SS Utility 2dr Man 6sp 6.0i

  • 177755 km
  • Ute
  • Manual

*** AUSSIE ICON *** V8 POWER *** FINANCE AVAILABLE*** ALL TRADES WELCOMED*** Introducing the bold and powerful 2007 Holden Ute SS VE, a pick-up that combines performance, comfort, and utility. Bathed in a sleek silver or chrome exterior, this vehicle’s aesthetics are as appealing as its features. Powered by an impressive 8 cylinder engine, it ensures a strong and smooth drive. This manual transmission vehicle is equipped with a petrol-friendly unleaded fuel system. With a substantial odomet

$19,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Maylands, WA

Dealer used
17 hours ago

2009 Holden Ute SS V-Series VE

  • 138984 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 8

**FINANCE FROM $130 per week **SSV **HARD LID **EXCELLENT CONDITION **LEATHER INTERIOR Presenting this exceptional 2009 Holden Ute SS V-Series VE, an epitome of powerful performance and unmatched style. This stunning pick-up truck comes in an attractive blue exterior colour, giving it a robust and stylish appearance that is sure to turn heads. Powered by a potent 8-cylinder engine, the vehicle offers a smooth and responsive driving experience. The Ute comes with an automatic transmissi

$22,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Beaconsfield, WA

Dealer used
18 hours ago

2015 Holden Ute VF II MY16 SS V Ute White 6 Speed Manual Utility

  • 71345 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 8 cyl 6.2L

2015 Holden Ute VF II MY16 SS V Ute Extended Cab offers a unique combination of performance, practicality, and versatility, making it an attractive choice for drivers seeking a high-performance utility vehicle with a sporty edge. Despite its performance-oriented nature, the Holden Ute VF II SS V offers impressive practicality and versatility. The extended cab configuration provides additional storage space behind the seats, allowing for the transport of larger items or equipment. The Ute's bed

$46,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Pinkenba, QLD

Dealer used
24 hours ago

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Overview of the Holden Ute

Overview of the Holden Ute

HOLDEN UTE GENERATIONS (SINCE 2000)

2000-2006

2007-2013

2013-2017

RUNNING COSTS

Fuel Consumption

3.6L V6: 9.0 to 9.1 litres per 100km

6.2L V8: 12.8 to 12.9 litres per 100km

= Highly economical.

= Good economy.

= Average fuel use.

= Heavy consumption.

Servicing

SIMILAR MODELS TO HOLDEN UTE

Ford Falcon Ute

WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR: HOLDEN UTE (2014 ONWARDS)

Mechanically, the Ute is a Commodore, so it's strong and reliable. Check V8s for oil leaks and noisy lifters. V6s could have noisy timing chains.

The most important check is to find out what kind of previous life the Ute has had. Many were worked hard on fleets and by commercial operators, so check the service record.

The condition of the tray can tell you lots about a ute's history. If it's scratched and dented, it's certainly seen some action. Is there a big tow bar fitted?

The interior can tell tales, too. Are there holes drilled in the dashboard or centre console for an electronic dispatcher or radio that has since been removed?

Sportier V8 models were often modified, so make sure any aftermarket wheels, tyres, suspension and exhaust systems are legal and roadworthy. Insurance companies take a dim view of modifications like these, too.