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Toyota HiLux Used Car Review

The Toyota HiLux was the first ute to become Australia's best-selling vehicle (in 2016), maintaining its status in 2017. Since its release in 1968, the HiLux has gone on to forge a reputation for trusted reliability and 'unbreakable' toughness. A performance variant called the TRD (for Toyota Racing Development) and featuring a grunty supercharged V6 engine was introduced in 2008 though this lasted only a year in showrooms. The eighth-generation Toyota HiLux was released in September 2015, retaining its comprehensive line-up of body styles and variants but improving in key areas such as refinement and towing ability.

Pros

Cons

  • Latest model improves off-roading and towing ability
  • Vast range of models, from cab-chassis to dual-cab
  • Latest 2.8L turbo diesel more refined than older 3.0L
  • Renowned for its reliability and durability
  • Missing key safety features prior to 2014 facelift
  • Maximum 5-star crash rating from 2011 onwards only
  • Jiggly and bumpy ride when unladen
  • TRD supercharged model (2008-2009) could be a handful
This is general information and should not be relied on as purchasing advice.
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Top2016 Toyota Hilux GGN120R SR White 6 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Utility

  • 225873 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

2016 TOYOTA HILUX SR DUAL CAB RARE AUTOMATIC 4.0 LITRE V6 NOT THE SLUGGISH 4 CYLINDER PRESENTS AND DRIVES FANTASTIC TRADIE SPECIAL ALL THE ESSENTIAL GOODIES ARB LOCKABLE CANOPY TUB LINER ROOF RACKS TOW BAR REGO RWC AND GST INCLUDED BEING THE SR IT HAS ALL THE FACTORY GOODIES BLUETOOTH MEDIA CONNECT TINTED WINDOWS CHROME FINISHES FULL ELECTRICS AIR COND (VERY COLD) KEYLESS ENTRY 2 KEYS PARKING SENSORS REVERSE CAMERA DUAL AIR BAGS POWER STEERING WONT BE DISSAPOINTED BUILT TO LAST IF YOU AFTER A W

$23,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Avondale Heights, VIC

Dealer used
23 hours ago

Top2012 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY12 SR5 White Automatic Utility

  • 220195 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Are you ready to take on any terrain in style? Look no further than this Toyota Hilux SR5 4x4 Utility Double Cab. Priced at just $21,999.00 AUD, this tough 2012 model is ready for your next adventure. Equipped with a range of features including 17" Alloy Wheels, Climate Control Air Conditioning, Bluetooth System, Satellite Navigation, and more, this Hilux has everything you need for a comfortable and enjoyable ride. With a powerful 4.0i engine, ABS brakes, and traction control, you can drive

$21,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Granville, NSW

Dealer used
03/05/2024

Top2009 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY10 SR5 Grey 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 232717 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

GREAT BUYING 4X4 DUAL CAB!! 2009 TOYOTA HILUX SR5 MANUAL 4X4 PETROL - GENUINE BULLBAR - GOOD HEAVY DUTY STEEL TRAY - REAR LADDERACK - HEAVY DUTY TOWBAR - SPOTLIGHTS - CRUISE CONTROL - COLD AIR - BLUETOOTH IN FANTASTIC CONDITION - DRIVES REALLY WELL!! WE CAN ARRANGE DELIVERY TO YOUR DOOR WE CAN ARRANGE FINANCE WE CAN APPRAISE YOUR TRADE OVER THE PHONE BEST OF ALL - WE MAKE IT EASY CONTACT ONE SUPER FRIENDLY AND HELPFUL SALES PEOPLE RIGHT NOW IT WILL NOT LAST!

$21,997 Excl. Gov. Charges
Biloela, QLD

Dealer used
03/05/2024

Top2005 Toyota Hilux GGN15R MY05 SR 4x2 Grey 5 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 143500 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

AR are pleased to be selling this well presented 2005 Toyota Hilux GGN15R MY05 SR Utility Dual Cab 4dr Auto 5sp 4x2 1115kg 4.0i Extremely clean and well looked after, 6 CYL, AUTO, - AND MUCH MUCH MORE This is an impressive vehicle that is guarantee not to disappoint; be sure to organise a test drive today. FIND US; now with TWO convenient locations; * Trade-ins welcome. * BUY with confidence; best price guarantee on new & used cars * INSTANT finance with competitive rates (TAP) * INSURANCE

$17,990 Drive Away^
Strathpine, QLD

Dealer used
23 hours ago

Top2006 TOYOTA Hilux SR

  • 199000 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

$11500 2007 Toyota Hilux workmate dual cab auto. Low kilometers only 199000ks. Registered? Yes. Roadworthy certificate, RWC? Yes. Aircon? Yes. Clear title on ppsr? Yes. No any issues. No written off. This clean and tidy truck is registered and has it's current RWC. Ready to go. Please ring to make a time for inspection on o4 o25 o25 92

$11,500 Drive Away^
Archerfield, QLD

Dealer used
02/05/2024

Top2010 TOYOTA HILUX SR 5 SP MANUAL DUAL CAB P/UP

$10,000
Aspendale, VIC

30/04/2024

2007 Toyota Hilux GGN15R 07 Upgrade SR5 Black 5 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 360210 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Toyota Hilux 2007 Auto Dual Cab. V6 Engine, Well-maintained car with History & Books. Auto with Navigation. Recently Serviced. Very Good condition inside and outside. Mechanically in very good condition. Inspection and test drive will impress. Clear Title and No accident history. PPSR Copy attached in last Photo. RWC and Registration included in the price. Warranty options available for 1, 3 & 5 years for UN-LIMITED Kms. Please feel free to contact us for further information rega

$9,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Watsonia, VIC

Dealer used
23 hours ago

2007 TOYOTA HILUX SR5 (4x4) 5 SP AUTOMATIC DUAL CAB P/UP

  • 373300 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

SR5 Hilux 2007 V6 4ltr petrol 373375 km Automatic- front mount trans cooler Full service history Rego till December Ironman Bull bar 2inch lift Rear air bags 130ltr Long range fuel tank Spotties and light bar 12000 pound winch Ironman Dual battery with CTek battery management system in the canopy Fridge slide Rear draw compartments Tow bar Electric trailer brakes & 12 volt Anderson plugs Upgraded stereo head unit Torqit throttle controller UHF unit Roof rack and ARB awning Paint is in good con

$23,000
Woodroffe, NT

23 hours ago

2006 Toyota Hilux GGN15R SR5 Blue 5 Speed Automatic X Cab Pickup

  • 177172 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

IMMACULATE PRESENTED LOW KM POPULAR UTE 2006 TOYOTA HILUX SR5 RARE SPACE CAB IMMACULATE BOTH INSIDE AND OUT (BEARLY A MARK ON IT) SUPER LOW 177,000KMS ALL ORIGINAL AND UNMODIFIED SOLD WITH JUNE 2024 REGO AND A CURRENT RWC 4.0 V6 (SUPER REALIABLE) COLOUR CODED CARRY BOY LOCKABLE CANOPY MAX HEAVY DUTY TUB LINER WITH LOADS OF EXTRA TIE TOWN POINTS DRIVES AS GOOD AS IT PRESENTS WONT BE FAULTED BEING THE SR5 IT HAS ALL THE FACTORY GOODIES CRUISE CONTRL FULL ELECTRICS AIR COND (VERY COLD) DUAL AIR

$15,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Avondale Heights, VIC

Dealer used
24 hours ago

2009 Toyota Hilux GGN15R 08 Upgrade SR5 Silver 5 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 298000 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

-TOYOTA HILUX SR5 DUAL CAB 4X4 -AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION- -READY FOR WORK OR HOOK THE VAN AND TRAVEL -VERY CLEAN AND TIDY -FULL SERVICE HISTORY -BULLBAR -DRIVING LIGHTS -ALLOY WHEELS WITH NEW TYRES -TOWBAR -TINTED WINDOWS -POWER STEERING -AIR COND -AIRBAGS -CRUISE CONTROL -KEYLESS ENTRY -AND MANY MANY MORE OPTIONS -DRIVES AND HANDLES GREAT -RWC INCLUDED -REGO INCLUDED JULY 2024 -WARRANTY INCLUDED -PRICED TO SELL -BUY WITH CONFIDENCE FROM AN APPROVED VACC DEALER -FINANCE AVAILABLE -EXT

$21,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Brooklyn, VIC

Dealer used
Yesterday

2008 Toyota Hilux GGN15R 08 Upgrade SR White 5 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 257912 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

THE UNBREAKABLE TOYOTA HILUX SR VERY WELL PRESENTED INSIDE AND OUT AUTOMATIC 4.0 V6 LOADS OF POWER DUAL CAB DRIVES GREAT LOW KMS FOR A COMMERICAL CAR CRUISE CONTROL BLUETOOTH MEDIA PLAY CHEAP TO RUN AND MAINTAIN WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN!!! BEING THE SR IT HAS THE FACTORY GOODIES AIR/CON P/STEERING CD PLAYER PHONE HANDSFREE CONNECT TINTED WINDOWS CENTRAL LOCKING SRS AIRBAGS DRIVES AND HANDLES NOTHING SHORT OF PERFECT ANY AND ALL RACV OR MECHANICAL TESTS WELCOMED 2024 REGO AND CURRENT R.W.C INCLUDE

$12,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Avondale Heights, VIC

Dealer used
Yesterday

2005 Toyota Hilux GGN25R SR (4x4) Silver, Chrome 5 Speed Manual Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 356666 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

BUY WITH PEACE OF MIND WITH 15 MONTHS WARRANTY AND 3 MONTHS ROADSIDE ASSIT. EASY FINANCE OPTIONS AVAILABLE. ALL VEHCILES HAVE BEEN WORKSHOP TESTED AND SERVICED BY OUR MECHANICS. TOYOTA HILUX 2005 SR (4X4) GGN25R. MULTI POINT F/INJ 4.0L. 5 SPEED MANUAL. POWER STEER. CD PLAYER. CENTRAL LOCKING. ELECTRIC MIRRORS. ELECTRIC WINDOWS. AIRCON. SRS AIRBAGS. 4X4. 15 INCH ALLOYS. ROOF RACKS. TOWBAR. CANAPY. NEAT AND TIDY. DRIVES GREAT. WORKSHOP TESTED. BEEN SERVICED. 15 MONTHS WARRANTY. 3 MONTHS ROADS

$10,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Pooraka, SA

Dealer used
Yesterday

2006 TOYOTA HILUX SR5 (4x4) 5 SP MANUAL DUAL CAB P/UP

  • 227000 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

This one owner vehicle is in good condition for its age, first registered in 2007. Has good service history with books. Fitted with near new tires, tow bar, alloy wheels, side steps, tonneau cover, rear sports bar. Body paint work is in good condition, and has had a heavy duty clutch installed.

$18,999
Tanunda, SA

Yesterday

2006 Toyota Hilux GGN25R SR5 (4x4) Champagne 5 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 289985 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

The 2006 Toyota Hilux SR5 is a rugged and capable 4x4 vehicle with a powerful 4.0L petrol engine. Known for its reliability and durability, this truck is perfect for off-road adventures and hauling heavy loads. The SR5 trim level offers a range of features, including a spacious interior, comfortable seating, and modern amenities. Whether youre tackling tough terrain or cruising on the highway, the Toyota Hilux SR5 delivers a smooth and dependable driving experience.

$12,800 Excl. Gov. Charges
Smithfield, NSW

Dealer used
Yesterday

2005 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY05 SR Silver 5 Speed Automatic Cab Chassis

  • 80576 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Toyota Hilux 2005 SR V6 Auto 4x4: Just traded, this super-low km auto 4x4 has FULL LOG BOOK SERVICING HISTORY(over-serviced, under-driven lol), Fact. alloy bullbar, Goodyear Wrangler tyres, alloy tray with canopy(removable) and ladder racks, under-tray water storage and tap, dual batteries, Reverse camera, GME UHF radio, elect. trailer brake controller, pwr windows, alloy side steps, Anderson plugs at the rear, tow bar. Drives XLNT, and is a real credit to the previous owner! We are a Family Ru

$21,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Coopers Plains, QLD

Dealer used
Yesterday

2015 Toyota Hilux SR V6 Petrol Dualcab Auto 123000km Alloy Tray

  • 123263 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

**Yes it's still available!!** **Located in Crookwell, 2 hours south of Sydney, 1 hour from Canberra, see last photo for map** **Driveaway pricing including 6 Months NSW rego, stamp duty & transfer fee ($1400 )** Super rare 2015 Hilux SR V6 Dualcab, auto and only 123000km. Tidy ute with alloy tray, reverse camera, Bluetooth & cruise control. A very rare ute to find, especially with a tray fitted ready to go! Quiet, smooth & powerful. WE ARE 2 HOURS SOUTH OF SYDNEY, 1 HOUR FROM CANBERRA, S

$29,990 Drive Away^
Crookwell, NSW

Dealer used
Yesterday

2009 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY09 SR White 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 246560 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

2009 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY09 SR White 5 Speed Manual Utility

$14,989.99 Excl. Gov. Charges
Minchinbury, NSW

Dealer used
Yesterday

Toyota hilux sr5 2005 v6 petrol 4x4

  • 234225 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Toyota Hilux sr5 4x4 v6 petrol 5speed manual drives well no leaks good condition for it age Being a 05 model upgrade wheels of late model hilux has light bar foggys roof basket arb compressor 12 months rego no offers no negotiation thanks call don’t message me on gumtree or email text or call only thanks

$16,000
Wetherill Park, NSW

Yesterday

2008 Toyota Hilux GGN15R MY08 SR Dual Cab White Manual Utility

  • 493273 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

2008 Toyota Hilux GGN15R MY08 SR Dual Cab White Manual Utility

$16,990 Drive Away^
Toowoomba, QLD

Dealer used
Yesterday

2008 Toyota Hilux GGN15R MY08 SR 4x2 White 5 Speed Automatic Cab Chassis

  • 401817 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Looking for a reliable workhorse that won't let you down? Look no further than this 2008 Toyota Hilux SR Cab Chassis! Priced at just $7,990.00 AUD, this tough and dependable truck is ready to tackle any job you throw at it. With a powerful 4.0i engine, cruise control, remote central locking, and more, this Hilux has everything you need to get the job done. Don't miss out on this great deal - come test drive it today and see why the Toyota Hilux is the go-to choice for tradies and weekend warrio

$9,990 Drive Away^
Ringwood, VIC

Dealer used
Yesterday

CASH FOR UNWANTED CAR 🚗 VAN UTE TRUCK

$1,000Negotiable
Ermington, NSW

03/05/2024

2010 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY10 SR5 Grey 5 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 265798 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Looking for an adventure-ready vehicle? Look no further than this 2010 Toyota Hilux SR5! Fully loaded with all the features you need for off-road exploration, this utility dual cab is ready to take on any terrain. Built tough with an ARB bullbar, ARB side steps, and ARB rear bar,Warn winch, Mickey Thompson MTZ tyres, upgraded rims, led headlights, this Hilux is equipped to handle anything you throw at it. The Bilstien / toughdog lift kit and ARB air compressor ensure a smooth ride no matter wh

$21,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Cabramatta, NSW

Dealer used
03/05/2024

2008 TOYOTA HILUX SR5 (4x4) 5 SP MANUAL DUAL CAB P/UP

  • 303000 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Up for sale is my 2008 sr5 this car has never missed a beat only selling due to getting a work car •2inch ironman foamcell pro lift kit •Ironman commercial deluxe bullbar with fog lights •redarc dual battery system •trailer brake controller •throttle controller •hancook dynapro all terrain tyres. Size 265-70-17 •eds scanner •kings awning 2Mx3M •kings 9inch spotlights •kings 12000 pound winch (wireless and wired) •gme uhf with gme arial •LED headlights •sony XAV-AX3000 headunit with apple carpl

$18,000Negotiable
Whalan, NSW

03/05/2024

2009 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY10 SR5 Grey 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 232717 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

GREAT BUYING 4X4 DUAL CAB!! 2009 TOYOTA HILUX SR5 MANUAL 4X4 PETROL - GENUINE BULLBAR - GOOD HEAVY DUTY STEEL TRAY - REAR LADDERACK - HEAVY DUTY TOWBAR - SPOTLIGHTS - CRUISE CONTROL - COLD AIR - BLUETOOTH IN FANTASTIC CONDITION - DRIVES REALLY WELL!! WE CAN ARRANGE DELIVERY TO YOUR DOOR WE CAN ARRANGE FINANCE WE CAN APPRAISE YOUR TRADE OVER THE PHONE BEST OF ALL - WE MAKE IT EASY CONTACT ONE SUPER FRIENDLY AND HELPFUL SALES PEOPLE RIGHT NOW IT WILL NOT LAST!

$21,997 Excl. Gov. Charges
Biloela, QLD

Dealer used
03/05/2024

2012 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY12 SR5 White Automatic Utility

  • 220195 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Are you ready to take on any terrain in style? Look no further than this Toyota Hilux SR5 4x4 Utility Double Cab. Priced at just $21,999.00 AUD, this tough 2012 model is ready for your next adventure. Equipped with a range of features including 17" Alloy Wheels, Climate Control Air Conditioning, Bluetooth System, Satellite Navigation, and more, this Hilux has everything you need for a comfortable and enjoyable ride. With a powerful 4.0i engine, ABS brakes, and traction control, you can drive

$21,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Granville, NSW

Dealer used
03/05/2024

2009 Toyota Hilux GGN25R 08 Upgrade SR (4x4) White 5 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 384977 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

2009 Toyota Hilux GGN25R 08 Upgrade SR (4x4) White 5 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Pick-up

$10,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
03/05/2024

2005 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY05 SR White 5 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 184448 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

Located ONLY a 2-hour drive North of Sydney and 30 minutes from the nearest Airport We happily offer transport from the airport FREE OF CHARGE Key Features: We are a family owned and multi award winning motor dealer established more than 60 years ago and pride ourselves on Service, Quality and Customer Satisfaction. - Home Delivery - Video / Contactless viewings We are backed by competitive finance offers available on-site or over the phone. We can offer every guest an obligation free person

$20,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
East Maitland, NSW

Dealer used
03/05/2024

2009 Toyota Hilux GGN15R MY10 SR Xtra Cab 4x2 Orange 5 Speed Automatic Utility

  • 156527 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

*** 3 YEAR COMPLIMENTARY WARRANTY *** We are a husband, wife,son and daughter business located just up the road from the coolangatta airport on the gold coast. You will find our style caring and understanding to your individual requirements. You will also find our cars loved and cared for but keen for a forever home. Pop in and enjoy a whole new buying experience for used cars.

$13,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Tugun, QLD

Dealer used
03/05/2024

2005 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY05 SR5 White 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 355209 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

2005 Toyota Hilux GGN25R MY05 SR5 White 5 Speed Manual Utility

$14,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Penrith, NSW

Dealer used
03/05/2024

2017 Toyota Hilux GGN125R SR5 Double Cab 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 95976 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

? 2017 Toyota Hilux SR5 Auto Double Cab 4X4 ? - TIME TO MAKE A REASONABLE OFFFER ! finished in Black Mica with a Black interior is equipped for all your trade & offroad needs. This vehicle qualifies for: - 3 or 5 year Warranty With a capable four-wheel-drive system paired with its powerful diesel engine and a 3000kg towing capacity (braked) this Hilux is also equipped with the following features: - Interior lay the seats - Bluetooth - 6 Speaker Stereo - Keyless Entry with Push Button Start

$47,850 Excl. Gov. Charges
Dandenong, VIC

Dealer used
03/05/2024

Overview of the Toyota Hilux

Overview of the Toyota Hilux

The Toyota HiLux was the first ute to become Australia's best-selling vehicle (in 2016), maintaining its status in 2017.

Since its release in 1968, the HiLux has gone on to forge a reputation for trusted reliability and 'unbreakable' toughness. A performance variant called the TRD (for Toyota Racing Development) and featuring a grunty supercharged V6 engine was introduced in 2008 though this lasted only a year in showrooms.

The eighth-generation Toyota HiLux was released in September 2015, retaining its comprehensive line-up of body styles and variants but improving in key areas such as refinement and towing ability.

TOYOTA HILUX GENERATIONS (SINCE 2004)

2004-2015

2015-present

RUNNING COSTS

Fuel Consumption (current model)

4.0L V6 petrol (discontinued late 2017): 11.5-12.0 litres per 100km

2.7L 4-cylinder petrol (discontinued): 10.4-11.1 litres per 100km

2.4L 4-cylinder turbo diesel: 7.1-8.5 litres per 100km

2.8L 4-cylinder turbo diesel: 7.3-9.0 litres per 100km

= Highly economical.

= Good economy.

= Average fuel use.

= Heavy consumption.

Servicing

SIMILAR MODELS TO TOYOTA HILUX

WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR: TOYOTA HILUX

Huge reputation for reliability hasn't been a fluke, and the latest Toyota HiLux continues that theme.

However, like any modern, common-rail diesel engine, the Toyota's is subject to all the caveats. Those start with fuel-injectors that can fail, comfortably within the first 100,000km. They're expensive to replace, too.

Injectors seem to wear faster with heavy use, so a HiLux that has been used for towing big loads is one to be wary of. A service record is absolutely critical to know that you aren't buying expensive trouble. We'd also be very careful with a HiLux that's been modified for serious off-road work. Not that they won't handle it, but everything wears out faster with harsh use.

Ex-fleet examples have usually been well serviced and don't present too much of a problem, but the one we'd run away from is the ex-mine vehicle. The seller will try to convince you that the vehicle has never been underground (in a mine) but that doesn't matter: The mining industry kills vehicles dead. Best avoided.

And don't pay extra for a car with Bluetooth: Toyota's Bluetooth was rubbish and even the dealers couldn't fix it.