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Toyota HiLux Used Car Review

The Toyota HiLux was the first ute to become Australia's best-selling vehicle (in 2016), maintaining its status in 2017. Since its release in 1968, the HiLux has gone on to forge a reputation for trusted reliability and 'unbreakable' toughness. A performance variant called the TRD (for Toyota Racing Development) and featuring a grunty supercharged V6 engine was introduced in 2008 though this lasted only a year in showrooms. The eighth-generation Toyota HiLux was released in September 2015, retaining its comprehensive line-up of body styles and variants but improving in key areas such as refinement and towing ability.

Pros

Cons

  • Latest model improves off-roading and towing ability
  • Vast range of models, from cab-chassis to dual-cab
  • Latest 2.8L turbo diesel more refined than older 3.0L
  • Renowned for its reliability and durability
  • Missing key safety features prior to 2014 facelift
  • Maximum 5-star crash rating from 2011 onwards only
  • Jiggly and bumpy ride when unladen
  • TRD supercharged model (2008-2009) could be a handful
This is general information and should not be relied on as purchasing advice.
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Top2014 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY14 SR Double Cab Glacier White 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 127140 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

Are you in the market for a reliable and robust Ute that can handle any terrain with ease? Look no further than this 2014 Toyota HiLux SR in Glacier White, a true workhorse that is ready to tackle all your adventures. With its 4x4 drive type, this Ute is perfect for off-road enthusiasts and tradespeople alike. The Toyota HiLux is renowned for its durability and toughness, and this used 2014 model is no exception. With a 3.0-litre 4-cylinder diesel engine under the bonnet, you can expect powerf

$29,990 Drive Away^
West Gladstone, QLD

Dealer used
05/05/2024

Top2007 Toyota Hilux KUN16R 06 Upgrade SR White 5 Speed Manual Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 292392 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

2007 Toyota Hilux KUN16R SR dual cab 4x2 turbo diesel manual, a very clean tidy example with service history from new. Viewing will impress *12 month Warranty on all vehicles at an additional $500* All vehicles PPSR clear(No accident history or financial encumbrances) Finance available Trades welcome We welcome independent vehicle inspections on all our vehicles Call Tony O 416 1O 34 34 or come see us DNA Car Sales at 16 baretta rd Wangara We carry a full selection of 2WD, RWD, AWD, 4x4, 4WD

$12,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
05/05/2024

Top2008 TOYOTA Hilux SR (4x4)

  • 412000 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

This popular Turbo diesel Hilux 4X4 has just arrived and it has plenty of extras fitted from the Winch to the Bull-bar + side rails and lift kit and dog box and it drives great. Being offered for sale on behalf of a large Fleet disposal company and i not sold quickly it will go to the Brisbane auctions. ( selling as traded without rego or rwc but test drives welcome) Inspect at Partington's 4WD and Auto wholesalers 632 Ingham road Townsville open from 8.00 am until 5.00 pm Monday to Friday. (6)

$8,100Was $8,800 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mount Louisa, QLD

Dealer used
23 hours ago

Top2014 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY14 SR (4x4) Glacier White 5 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 182433 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

"2014 TOYOTA HILUX SR DUALCAB CHASS 4X4 AUTOMATIC IN GLACIER WHITE WITH COLOUR CODED BULLBAR, TOWBAR, HEAVY DUTY STEEL TRAY AND MUCH MORE. WELL MAINTAINED COUNTRY VEHICLE WITH COMPLETE SERVICE HISTORY, THIS ONE LOOKS GREAT AND IS READY FOR WORK AND RECREATION. GENUINE ENQUIRIES ONLY. We pride ourselves on good old fashioned service and we are dedicated to exceeding your expectations. Call today and allow one of our friendly sales professionals show you how easily this car can become yours.

$31,979 Excl. Gov. Charges
Cardiff, NSW

Dealer used
05/05/2024

Top2013 Toyota Hilux KUN16R MY12 Workmate Glacier White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

  • 73675 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

*** MAY THE 4TH BE WITH YOU SALE ON THIS WEEKEND!!! COME ON IN FOR MASSIVE SAVINGS AND NEVER TO BE REPEATED PRICES!!! *** CUSTOM SERVICE BODY (TICK) "TOP DEAL" FROM CARSALES (TICK) GREAT UP TO DATE SERVICE HISTORY (TICK) LOADED WITH THOUSANDS OF $$$ WORTH OF EXTRAS (TICK) SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? WITH ONLY 73,675KM AND FEATURES LIKE A CUSTOM SERVICE BODY WITH MARINE GRADE FLOORING, TOW BAR AND WIRING, REVERSE PARKING CAMERA, RUBBER FLOOR MATS, BLUETOOTH CONNECTIVITY AND LOG BOOKS WITH GR

$24,888 Excl. Gov. Charges
Chatswood, NSW

Dealer used
05/05/2024

Top2015 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY14 SR Double Cab White 5 Speed Automatic Cab Chassis

  • 15931 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

***2015 HILUX*** ONLY 15KS*** DUAL CAB*** TOOLBOXES*** 4WD*** 4 CYLINDER*** AUTOMATIC*** THIS IS THE ONE - JOB DONE*** *** CCC = BETTER CARS FOR LE$$ *** WE HAVE 200+ VEHICLES $4999 - $19999 *** ALL 200+ VEHICLES COME WITH A WARRANTY *** ALL 200+ VEHICLES ARE THE BEST VALUE ON THE MARKET *** ALL 200+ PRICES ARE DRIVE-AWAY NO MORE TO PAY - (VERY CONVENIENT)! *** FAST FINANCE ARRANGED ON-SITE OR OVER-THE-PHONE (CLEVER & PROFESSIONAL TEAM)! *** ALL ENQUIRIES WEL

$22,999 Drive Away^
Rocklea, QLD

Dealer used
06/05/2024

2010 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY10 SR 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 309000 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

Diamond White Hilux SR 4x4 Manual 3.0 Turbo Diesel Full Service History Canopy Bull Bar Winch *Optional Wheel and tyre package fitted* We are a family owned Land Rover and Prestige specialist located near Brighton, Victoria We accept any trade and offer finance and warranty options *PLEASE NOTE: THE BUILD DATE MAY NOT BE ACCURATE AS VEHICLES ADVERTISED IN VICTORIA ARE SOLD BASED UPON ON THE YEAR OF COMPLIANCE - PLEASE CHECK WITH YOUR CONSULTANT TO CONFIRM BUILD DATE. VEHICLE FEATURE

$14,888 Excl. Gov. Charges
Moorabbin, VIC

Dealer used
40 minutes ago

2012 TOYOTA Hilux SR

  • 300000 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 6 cyl 4.0L

4 Litre Automatic Aircond Powersteering Roobar Towbar Canvas Canopy in excellent condition

$10,290 Excl. Gov. Charges
Bellevue, WA

Dealer used
40 minutes ago

2013 Toyota Hilux TGN16R Workmate White Automatic Cab Chassis

  • 356166 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

Immaculate AUTOMATIC Ute with Log Books. Genuine Kilometres. All TOYOTA Factory Features in Excellent Working Order, Including Icy Cold Air Conditioning. Faultless Vehicle to Drive, Any Inspection Welcome. Option of Extended Registration for NSW Purchasers, Current Pink Slip Supplied. 1-5 Year Australia Wide Warranty Available. On-Site Finance Facilities & Trade-Ins Welcome. Home Delivery Options Available for Local, Country & Interstate Purchasers. Entry Level Australia Wide Warranty from $49

$9,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Five Dock, NSW

Dealer used
43 minutes ago

2015 Toyota Hilux TGN16R MY14 Workmate White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

  • 168864 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

Simulcast auctions start at 10:30am every Tuesday and Thursday, consisting of government, corporate, fleet and general sale vehicles. Private Buyers are welcome. Private Buyers receive a NSW Roadworthy Certificate for any vehicle purchased with current NSW Registration. Unregistered Vehicles are sold " As Is / Where Is " which means it is the responsibility of the purchaser to get their own Roadworthy Certificate and make good any repairs necessary. Please check Auction terms and conditio

For Auction
Guildford, NSW

Dealer used
48 minutes ago

2000 Toyota Hilux RZN147R Workmate 4x2 White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

  • 127765 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.0L

2000 Toyota Hilux RZN147R Workmate 4x2 White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

Contact Dealer for Price
Moorooka, QLD

Dealer used
58 minutes ago

1992 Toyota Hilux YN85R 4 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

  • 190600 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 1.8L

BE QUICK 5K FIRM! Impossible to find Hilux Tray Back for 5k. Paintwork not perfect but starts, stops and drives fine! Comes with Alloy Tray, Tow Bar and Bench Seat (Room for Three) Also has Two Keys and Two Immobilizers Ideal for the weeekend warrior to get the Firewood or Mulch. Be quick as this will sell fast!

$5,000 Excl. Gov. Charges
South Bunbury, WA

Dealer used
2 hours ago

2007 Toyota Hilux TGN16R MY07 Workmate 4x2 White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

  • 376928 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

2007 Toyota Hilux TGN16R MY07 Workmate 4x2 White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

$8,990 Drive Away^
Shepparton, VIC

Dealer used
2 hours ago

2005 TOYOTA Hilux WORKMATE

  • 494046 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

2005 Hliux Workmate Alloy Tray Toolboxes Genuine Towpack Good tyres & reg Engine light on from Cat Convertor which hasn't affected ute at all. Just been retired from our fleet and in very good condition and would clean up very well.

$7,490 Excl. Gov. Charges
Glenorchy, TAS

Dealer used
2 hours ago

2014 Toyota Hilux KUN16R MY14 Workmate Glacier White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

  • 146301 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

2014 Toyota Hilux KUN16R MY14 Workmate Glacier White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

$21,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Chatswood, NSW

Dealer used
2 hours ago

2014 Toyota Hilux KUN16R MY14 SR Double Cab 4x2 White 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 84419 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

Toyota Hilux 2WD SR Turbo Diesel - Rare Find! Looking for a reliable and powerful pickup truck? Your search ends here! We have a rare Toyota Hilux 2WD SR Turbo Diesel available for sale, practically just run in with low kilometers and in immaculate condition. Full Toyota Service History with Not One Missed Service Factory Tow Package for Added Versatility Factory Hard Lid for Secure Storage Practically Only Run In with Low Kilometers Ready to Be Put to Work This Toyota Hilux SR Turbo Die

$24,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Derwent Park, TAS

Dealer used
3 hours ago

2008 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY08 SR Glacier White 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 304371 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

SERVICE HISTORY AND HARD TONNEAU COVER. 2008 TOYOTA HILUX SR 4X4 MANUAL DUAL CAB TURBO DIESEL UTE PRESENTED IN GLACIER WHITE. TRIED AND TRUSTED UNBREAKABLE UTILITY THAT IS SURE TO IMPRESS. DO NOT DELAY ENQUIRE TODAY. Call our experienced team NOW to secure this AMAZING INTERNET ONLY special price! Family owned Toyota dealership in PERTH, with over 500 quality used cars in stock, with an exceptional personal touch. WHERE THE GUEST ALWAYS COMES FIRST......Please Note - all our Internet specials

$13,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Osborne Park, WA

Dealer used
5 hours ago

1999 Toyota Hilux RZN169R Red 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 286435 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

1999 TOYOTA HILUX 4X4 DUAL CAB UTILITY 2.7L PETROL 5-SPEED MANUAL They don't make 4WD utes like this anymore. The age of this ute is testament to its proven reliability. * 2.7 Litre Petrol Engine * Dual Range 4 Wheel Drive * Dual Cab * Flat Deck Tray * Bull Bar * Full Size Storage Box * Tow Ball * Rego * Safety Certificate * Clear PPSR Check * Comes Fully Serviced FIND US AT: 53 Grice Street Clontarf Qld -> Open 7 Days - 10am to 7pm -> After Hours By Appointment -> Call us on 0452 1

$7,950 Excl. Gov. Charges
Clontarf, QLD

Dealer used
6 hours ago

2009 TOYOTA HILUX SR (4x4) 5 SP MANUAL DUAL CAB P/UP

  • 327000 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

09 Hilux Sr 4x4 Perfect for on and off road adventures Perfect tow vehicle Always serviced and treated well Recently had New injectors Timing belt New brakes Manual Deisel Gvm upgrade to 3.3t engineered Redarc brake controller Bullbar Winch Spotlights Tow bar Towing mirrors Rear work lights Under tray storage boxes Canopy 320 000 km Can include Lithium dual battery Inverter Fridge Dcdc charger

$19,000Negotiable
Swansea, NSW

7 hours ago

2015 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY14 SR (4x4) White 5 Speed Automatic Double Cab Chassis

  • 155573 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

" DUAL CAB TURBO DIESEL 4X4 3.O LITRE AUTOMATIC HILUX WITH GENUINE TOYOTA BULL BAR, STEEL TRAY, TOW BAR We pride ourselves on good old fashioned service and we are dedicated to exceeding your expectations. Call today and allow one of our friendly sales professionals show you how easily this car can become yours. Locally owned and operated since 1992, we stock hundreds of vehicles every week at our undercover 3 acre site, located 90 minutes north of Sydney, 10 minutes from the M1 and just min

$30,979 Excl. Gov. Charges
Cardiff, NSW

Dealer used
10 hours ago

2014 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY14 SR Double Cab White 5 Speed Automatic Cab Chassis

  • 171137 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

2014 TOYOTA HILUX SR UTILITY DOUBLE CAB 4DR MANUAL 5SP 4X4 3.0DT The services you can expect when purchasing a pre-owned vehicle from our friendly knowledgeable team, include; - Extended Warranty Options available 1 to 5 years - All vehicles receive a full 100 point Mechanical Inspection - Hassle free onsite Finance available T.A.P. Pre approvals available. - Trade ins- Yes we accept trade in vehicles. - Yes we can arrange transport Australia Located- 20 minutes north of the

$29,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
13 hours ago

2014 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY14 SR (4x4) White 5 Speed Automatic Double Cab Chassis

  • 183096 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

Very tidy example of the last of the best Hilux made. Trouble free pre dpf 3.0 turbo diesel, factory bullbar, heavy duty steel tray, log books, fully workshop approved, priced to sell immediately and will not last! Trade-ins welcome! We have competitive, same-day finance options and comprehensive protection plans from leading Australian providers. Our vehicles have been independently mechanically inspected and road tested for your peace of mind. With over 3000 late-model quality p

$29,988 Excl. Gov. Charges
Bentley, WA

Dealer used
13 hours ago

2006 Toyota Hilux KUN16R SR White 5 Speed Manual Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 523000 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

Lovely clean car, no accidents, full service history, 2006 TOYOTA HILUX EASY FINANCE APROVE . Finance available TAP. $89 Road Side Assist optional Call Yawari 6 DENNIS ST DANDEONG VIC 3175 LCT11960 http://www.eazyfastcarsales.com.au/

$7,900 Excl. Gov. Charges
Dandenong, VIC

Dealer used
14 hours ago

2000 Toyota Hilux RZN149R 4x2 White 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 224424 km
  • Other
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

MAY MADNESS SALE ON NOW!! FREE TANK OF FUEL, FREE 1 YEAR EMERALD WARRANTY!! **(conditions apply) NEVER TO BE REPEATED PRICES!! SAVE $$$ OFF ALREADY LOW PRICES!! DONT MISS OUT ON OUR ONLINE* SALE!!! ALL PRICE ARE DRIVE AWAY NO MORE TO PAY (REGO/REGO TRANSFER/PPSR) BUT BE QUICK, CAUSE ONCE THEYRE GONE, THEYRE GONE!!! Are you looking for a cheap work ute? I think I have what you need! Check out this 2004 Toyota Hilux 2.7L petrol engine Manual Transmission Registration 14/5/24 Cold Air Cond

$8,440 Drive Away^
South Toowoomba, QLD

Dealer used
14 hours ago

2002 Toyota Hilux RZN149R White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

  • 282919 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

2002 Toyota Hilux RZN149R White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

$7,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Prospect, SA

Dealer used
15 hours ago

2013 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY12 SR Double Cab Silver 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 164120 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

The 2013 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY12 SR Double Cab Manual Utility stands as a reliable and robust choice for those in search of a versatile workhorse. Powered by a durable engine, paired with a manual transmission, this Hilux variant offers a hands-on driving experience with the capability to tackle various terrains. The Double Cab configuration ensures ample space for passengers, making it suitable for both professional use and family adventures. The SR trim level signifies a balance between uti

$27,888 Excl. Gov. Charges
Bibra Lake, WA

Dealer used
16 hours ago

2024 Toyota Hilux GUN126R SR (4x4) White 6 Speed Automatic Cab Chassis

  • 10 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

GVM UPGRADED, MINE SPEC, IMMEDIATE DELIVERY! SECOND STAGE PRE REGO TOUGH DOG 3510KG GVM UPGRADE. Rops steel tray bullbar, roof light, hivis, UHF, handbrake alarm, NC Warranty till 2029, priced to sell immediately and will not last! Trade-ins welcome! We have competitive, same-day finance options and comprehensive protection plans from leading Australian providers. Our vehicles have been independently mechanically inspected and road tested for your peace of mind. With over 3000 lat

$71,988 Excl. Gov. Charges
Bentley, WA

Dealer used
18 hours ago

2015 Toyota Hilux KUN26R MY14 SR (4x4) White 5 Speed Automatic Dual Cab Pick-up

  • 105369 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 3.0L

Top quality example, one owner with service history, reliable pre DPF 3.0 litre turbo diesel, very clean throughout, fitted with tonneau cover, tow bar and all terrain tyres, inspection will impress! Trade-ins welcome! We have competitive, same-day finance options and comprehensive protection plans from leading Australian providers. Our vehicles have been independently mechanically inspected and road tested for your peace of mind. With over 3000 late-model quality passenger and co

$36,977 Excl. Gov. Charges
Bentley, WA

Dealer used
18 hours ago

2010 Toyota Hilux TGN16R MY10 Workmate 4x2 Super White 5 Speed Manual Cab Chassis

  • 288000 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

All of our pre-owned vehicles undergo a 100 Point inspection by our qualified technicians. ***Enquire about our Toyota Certified vehicles today*** Trade in your current vehicle. With high volume and low over heads we can PAY MORE. We will trade your vehicle in regardless of age, condition or kms. Even if you are not purchasing from us, we are happy to buy your vehicle. We stock over 300 quality pre-owned vehicles so please contact us or simply call in to speak to one of our professional ve

$9,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Canning Vale, WA

Dealer used
19 hours ago

2005 Toyota Hilux TGN16R MY05 Workmate 4x2 Silver 5 Speed Manual Utility

  • 148499 km
  • Ute
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.7L

COME IN TO OUR WAREHOUSE IN MADDINGTON AND SEE HOW WE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY! WE DONT SELL CARS, WE HELP PEOPLE BUY CARS! GET YOUR DEALER CAR TODAY!!! Whether you are looking for a 4x4, UTE, Or a car with a Sunroof, We have it all WE OFFER A FUN AND RELAXED NON-PUSHY BUYING EXPERIENCE! WE ARE NOT YOUR CONVENTIONAL, STERILE, ALL BUSINESS AND NO PERSONALITY CAR YARD OUR FRIENDLY TEAM ARE CUSTOMER FOCUSSED AND WE BOAST A FINE RANGE OF PRE-OWNED VEHICLES! WE DONT CLAIM TO BE THE BEST, BUT WE H

$14,998 Excl. Gov. Charges
Maddington, WA

Dealer used
19 hours ago

Overview of the Toyota Hilux

Overview of the Toyota Hilux

The Toyota HiLux was the first ute to become Australia's best-selling vehicle (in 2016), maintaining its status in 2017.

Since its release in 1968, the HiLux has gone on to forge a reputation for trusted reliability and 'unbreakable' toughness. A performance variant called the TRD (for Toyota Racing Development) and featuring a grunty supercharged V6 engine was introduced in 2008 though this lasted only a year in showrooms.

The eighth-generation Toyota HiLux was released in September 2015, retaining its comprehensive line-up of body styles and variants but improving in key areas such as refinement and towing ability.

TOYOTA HILUX GENERATIONS (SINCE 2004)

2004-2015

2015-present

RUNNING COSTS

Fuel Consumption (current model)

4.0L V6 petrol (discontinued late 2017): 11.5-12.0 litres per 100km

2.7L 4-cylinder petrol (discontinued): 10.4-11.1 litres per 100km

2.4L 4-cylinder turbo diesel: 7.1-8.5 litres per 100km

2.8L 4-cylinder turbo diesel: 7.3-9.0 litres per 100km

= Highly economical.

= Good economy.

= Average fuel use.

= Heavy consumption.

Servicing

SIMILAR MODELS TO TOYOTA HILUX

WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR: TOYOTA HILUX

Huge reputation for reliability hasn't been a fluke, and the latest Toyota HiLux continues that theme.

However, like any modern, common-rail diesel engine, the Toyota's is subject to all the caveats. Those start with fuel-injectors that can fail, comfortably within the first 100,000km. They're expensive to replace, too.

Injectors seem to wear faster with heavy use, so a HiLux that has been used for towing big loads is one to be wary of. A service record is absolutely critical to know that you aren't buying expensive trouble. We'd also be very careful with a HiLux that's been modified for serious off-road work. Not that they won't handle it, but everything wears out faster with harsh use.

Ex-fleet examples have usually been well serviced and don't present too much of a problem, but the one we'd run away from is the ex-mine vehicle. The seller will try to convince you that the vehicle has never been underground (in a mine) but that doesn't matter: The mining industry kills vehicles dead. Best avoided.

And don't pay extra for a car with Bluetooth: Toyota's Bluetooth was rubbish and even the dealers couldn't fix it.