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Toyota HiLux Used Car Review

The Toyota HiLux was the first ute to become Australia's best-selling vehicle (in 2016), maintaining its status in 2017. Since its release in 1968, the HiLux has gone on to forge a reputation for trusted reliability and 'unbreakable' toughness. A performance variant called the TRD (for Toyota Racing Development) and featuring a grunty supercharged V6 engine was introduced in 2008 though this lasted only a year in showrooms. The eighth-generation Toyota HiLux was released in September 2015, retaining its comprehensive line-up of body styles and variants but improving in key areas such as refinement and towing ability.

Pros

Cons

  • Latest model improves off-roading and towing ability
  • Vast range of models, from cab-chassis to dual-cab
  • Latest 2.8L turbo diesel more refined than older 3.0L
  • Renowned for its reliability and durability
  • Missing key safety features prior to 2014 facelift
  • Maximum 5-star crash rating from 2011 onwards only
  • Jiggly and bumpy ride when unladen
  • TRD supercharged model (2008-2009) could be a handful
This is general information and should not be relied on as purchasing advice.
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Top2022 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 43235 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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Top2022 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Bronze 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 16000 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

Stylish Rogue edition ute with the powerful 2.8 litre turbo diesel engine, six speed T-Bar Tiptronic auto, adaptive cruise and traction control, front side air bags, lane departure warning, forward collision mitigation, SatNav, Bluetooth smart phone connectivity, JBL Sound System, selectable high/low range 4WD with diff lock, luxurious leather trim with heated seating, keyless entry with push button start, side steps, gloss black alloy wheels, sporty body side mouldings, rear sports bar, roller

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Welshpool, WA

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29/04/2024

Top2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Red 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 3089 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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23 hours ago

Top2021 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 36729 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

The ultimate work and adventure companion - the 2021 Toyota Hilux Rogue Utility. With only 36,729kms on the clock, this tough and reliable vehicle is ready to take on whatever task or road comes your way. Equipped with a powerful 2.8L turbo diesel engine and six speed sports automatic transmission, the Hilux delivers exceptional performance and efficiency. Its 4WD capabilities, combined with advanced safety features such as lane departure warning, control - crash avoidance with braking (low spe

$62,987 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

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20 hours ago

Top2022 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 25521 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

This black 2022 Toyota Hilux Rogue dual cab 4x4 auto TURBO DIESEL is a genuine one owner vehicle with logbooks and service history. Immaculate condition!! Need Finance? Complimentary no obligation credit score assessment? Our expert Business Managers can tailor a car finance package to suit your individual needs and budget. We are located only minutes away from the M1 and M2 Motorways. Trade-Ins are always welcome, and we can deliver to any state. Book a test drive today with one of our profess

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Pennant Hills, NSW

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28/04/2024

Top2020 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 55828 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

We are delighted to present this stunning 2020 Toyota Hilux with automatic transmission. Despite its robust capabilities, this Hilux has only 55,828 kilometres on the clock, suggesting a history of light, careful use. The vehicle's condition is outstanding, a testament to the previous owner's diligent upkeep and Toyota's legendary build quality. As one of the most sought-after models in its class, this Hilux exudes toughness, functionality and sophistication. Whether you're tackling the urban j

$59,900 Excl. Gov. Charges
Burswood, WA

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28/04/2024

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Bronze 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 10483 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Bronze 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

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Waitara, NSW

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15 minutes ago

2022 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Grey 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 995 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

We are open for business. All our cars are sanitized and ready to be picked up or we can plan for the vehicle to be dropped off to you.We are located 30 minutes from the Sydney CBD and 25 minutes from Parramatta. This vehicle is equipped with:- Roof racks- Window tints- weather shields - Ready for work!!!- Top of the range model- Leather seats- Heated Seats- 360 degree camera- Diesel- Automatic- Perfect for commercial use- Full service history- Reverse camera- Heaps of extras!!!- Plenty of

$77,888 Excl. Gov. Charges
Waitara, NSW

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31 minutes ago

2021 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 96012 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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$57,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Albion Park Rail, NSW

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56 minutes ago

2018 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 125170 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

The 2018 Toyota Hilux Rogue is a robust and capable pickup truck known for its durability and off-road prowess. Here are some key specifications for the Rogue variant: Engine: 2.8-liter turbocharged diesel inline-4 Transmission: 6-speed automatic Drive Type: Four-wheel drive (4x4) Power Output: Approximately 174 horsepower and 450 Nm of torque Towing Capacity: Depending on configuration, it can tow up to 3.5 tons (7,716 pounds) Payload Capacity: Varies depending on configuration and mod

$55,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Winnellie, NT

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2 hours ago

2019 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 72801 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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$53,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Albion Park, NSW

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3 hours ago

2022 TOYOTA HILUX ROGUE (4x4) 6 SP AUTOMATIC DOUBLE CAB P/UP

$69,990
Melville, WA

11 hours ago

2020 Toyota Hilux GUN126R MY19 Upgrade Rogue (4x4) White 6 Speed Automatic Double Cab Pick Up

  • 48553 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

Low kms on this one owner Automatic ROGUE Hilux! All class in Crystal pearl white with service history! Features include Tow bar, Colour coded hard lid, Satellite navigation, Full leather trim, 18 inch black alloys, Climate control and more! fully workshop tested and approved and priced to sell! Trade-ins welcome! We have competitive, same-day finance options and comprehensive protection plans from leading Australian providers. Our vehicles have been independently mechanically ins

$58,996 Excl. Gov. Charges
Bentley, WA

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15 hours ago

2022 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 27 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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Keysborough, VIC

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17 hours ago

2022 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Bronze 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 28064 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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2021 TOYOTA HILUX ROGUE (4x4) 6 SP AUTOMATIC DOUBLE CAB P/UP

  • 5657 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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$64,500Negotiable
Clearview, SA

18 hours ago

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab White 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 50 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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$76,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Victoria Park, WA

Dealer used
18 hours ago

2020 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Grey 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 46195 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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$62,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wayville, SA

Dealer used
19 hours ago

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Grey 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 201 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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$77,400 Excl. Gov. Charges
Albion Park, NSW

Dealer used
19 hours ago

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Oxide Bronze 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 4802 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

HILUX ROGUE IN OXIDE BRONZE COLOUR WITH TOW BAR, ELECTRIC ROLLER COVER, WEATHERSHIELDS, LEATHER SEATS, SAT NAV, APPLE CAR PLAY/ANDROID AUTO, LOW KMS & BALANCE OF NEW CAR WARRANTY!! Buy with extra peace of mind knowing that this vehicle is still covered by the BALANCE OF NEW CAR WARRANTY!!!! This HILUX ROGUE has been kept in superb condition, you will not be disappointed. We are a NISSAN Franchised Dealership where Customer satisfaction is paramount. We have over 90+ used cars in stock and ha

$72,888 Excl. Gov. Charges
Morley, WA

Dealer used
19 hours ago

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Grey 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 12127 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

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Wodonga, VIC

Dealer used
19 hours ago

2021 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 36729 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

The ultimate work and adventure companion - the 2021 Toyota Hilux Rogue Utility. With only 36,729kms on the clock, this tough and reliable vehicle is ready to take on whatever task or road comes your way. Equipped with a powerful 2.8L turbo diesel engine and six speed sports automatic transmission, the Hilux delivers exceptional performance and efficiency. Its 4WD capabilities, combined with advanced safety features such as lane departure warning, control - crash avoidance with braking (low spe

$62,987 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
20 hours ago

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 2948 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

$79,888 Excl. Gov. Charges
Castle Hill, NSW

Dealer demo
21 hours ago

2021 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Bronze 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 23272 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

THIS TOYOTA HILUX ROGUE IS A CERTIFIED PRE OWNED VEHICLE,THAT COMES WITH : -FULL SERVICE HISTORY. -12 MONTHS ADDITIONAL FACTORY WARRANTY. -12 MONTHS ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE. -SPECIAL FINANCING OPTIONS. -GUARANTEED FUTURE VALUE (TOYOTA ACCESS PROGRAM). -REVERSING CAMERA. -BLUETOOTH. -CRUISE CONTROL WITH RADAR. -PARKING SENSORS. -MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL. -VOICE ACTIVATION. -GPS NAVIGATION. -LANE DEPARTURE WARNING SYSTEM. -COLLISION WARNING SYSTEM. -LEATHER SEATS. -HEATED FRONT SEATS. -SIDE STEP

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Geelong, VIC

Dealer used
21 hours ago

2021 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Facelift Rogue (4x4) White 6 Speed Automatic Double Cab Pick Up

  • 8081 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

* LIKE NEW * Barely driven in, this up-spec model Hilux ROGUE comes packed full of luxury features and is ready for work or play. Loved by its previous owner, this would suit a new car buyer and is in stock and ready for immediate delivery. This is not to be missed. Fully workshop tested and approved and priced to sell. Finance packages available and trade ins welcome. Please check the mileage on enquiry, as vehicles are often test-driven and may subsequently change. Car may or may not have pla

$67,993 Excl. Gov. Charges
Jandakot, WA

Dealer used
21 hours ago

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 5103 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

- WE ARE LOCATED 10 MINUTES FROM SOVEREIGN HILL IN - ONLY TRAVELLED 5,103 KLMS - TOYOTA FINANCE AVAILABLE - WE CAN HELP MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO BRING VEHICLE TO YOU

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Ballarat Central, VIC

Dealer used
21 hours ago

2021 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Crystal Pearl 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 26149 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

BUY WITH CONFIDENCE from one of the Australian biggest Toyota used car dealers which offers you a Guaranteed Clear Title. Full 100 points Mechanical safety inspections and fixed price service fee and for your peace of mind we offer 2 year Customer Care Plan up to 175,000km Dealer Warranty (on selected vehicles, conditions apply). We can arrange a video call viewing for easier and more enjoyable buying experience. We are open for business and ready to serve your

$65,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Blacktown, NSW

Dealer used
21 hours ago

2023 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Oxide Bronze 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 2100 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

THIS IS A 2024 COMPLIANCE VEHICLE. REGISTRATION PAPERS WILL REFLECT THIS 2024....2024...2024 AS NEW KILOMETRES!!! Introducing the epitome of rugged sophistication, the 2024 HiLux 4x4 2.8L Dsl D/C 6AT Rogue. Designed to conquer both the urban jungle and the untamed wilderness, this powerhouse of a truck redefines what it means to drive with confidence. Crafted with precision and passion, the HiLux Rogue exudes an aura of strength and style. Its robust 2.8-liter diesel engine, paired with a s

$79,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Rockingham, WA

Dealer used
22 hours ago

2021 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Eclipse Black 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 35078 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

Please note all our internet specials are FIXED PRICE ONLY and not applicable with any other offer. Perths one stop shop for TOYOTA CERTIFIED pre-owned vehicles, Our commitment to quality service begins with our customer relationships and extends throughout the entire operation. All prices you will find to be market leading, so add that to a reliable service backed by Toyota. OH WHAT A FEELING !! We provide a wide range of New and Used Toyota Cars, Hybrids, SUVs & 4WDs, Utes and Vans to vi

$65,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Midland, WA

Dealer used
22 hours ago

2019 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Grey 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

  • 105383 km
  • Ute
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.8L

2019 Toyota Hilux GUN126R Rogue Double Cab Grey 6 Speed Sports Automatic Utility

$53,990 Drive Away^
Mentone, VIC

Dealer used
22 hours ago

Overview of the Toyota Hilux

Overview of the Toyota Hilux

The Toyota HiLux was the first ute to become Australia's best-selling vehicle (in 2016), maintaining its status in 2017.

Since its release in 1968, the HiLux has gone on to forge a reputation for trusted reliability and 'unbreakable' toughness. A performance variant called the TRD (for Toyota Racing Development) and featuring a grunty supercharged V6 engine was introduced in 2008 though this lasted only a year in showrooms.

The eighth-generation Toyota HiLux was released in September 2015, retaining its comprehensive line-up of body styles and variants but improving in key areas such as refinement and towing ability.

TOYOTA HILUX GENERATIONS (SINCE 2004)

2004-2015

2015-present

RUNNING COSTS

Fuel Consumption (current model)

4.0L V6 petrol (discontinued late 2017): 11.5-12.0 litres per 100km

2.7L 4-cylinder petrol (discontinued): 10.4-11.1 litres per 100km

2.4L 4-cylinder turbo diesel: 7.1-8.5 litres per 100km

2.8L 4-cylinder turbo diesel: 7.3-9.0 litres per 100km

= Highly economical.

= Good economy.

= Average fuel use.

= Heavy consumption.

Servicing

SIMILAR MODELS TO TOYOTA HILUX

WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR: TOYOTA HILUX

Huge reputation for reliability hasn't been a fluke, and the latest Toyota HiLux continues that theme.

However, like any modern, common-rail diesel engine, the Toyota's is subject to all the caveats. Those start with fuel-injectors that can fail, comfortably within the first 100,000km. They're expensive to replace, too.

Injectors seem to wear faster with heavy use, so a HiLux that has been used for towing big loads is one to be wary of. A service record is absolutely critical to know that you aren't buying expensive trouble. We'd also be very careful with a HiLux that's been modified for serious off-road work. Not that they won't handle it, but everything wears out faster with harsh use.

Ex-fleet examples have usually been well serviced and don't present too much of a problem, but the one we'd run away from is the ex-mine vehicle. The seller will try to convince you that the vehicle has never been underground (in a mine) but that doesn't matter: The mining industry kills vehicles dead. Best avoided.

And don't pay extra for a car with Bluetooth: Toyota's Bluetooth was rubbish and even the dealers couldn't fix it.