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SUBARU FORESTER Used Car Review

Subaru joined the 'soft-roader' SUV club in 1997 when it used the platform of its famous Impreza small car as the basis for the Forester. The model has become the Japanese brand's most popular model in Australia, as well as being one of the country's favourite SUVs. Currently into its fourth generation, an all-new Forester has been unveiled and is due in late 2018.

Pros

Cons

  • Fantastic all-round visibility
  • Clever Eyesight safety tech on more recent models
  • Ride comfort consistently good across generations
  • Permanent all-wheel drive (most rivals use a part-time AWD system)
  • Servicing costs higher than average and limited capped-price program
  • Full-size spare reduces boot space
  • Cabin design lacks flair and premium feel
  • For light-duty off-roading only
This is general information and should not be relied on as purchasing advice.
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Top2018 Subaru Forester S5 MY19 2.5i CVT AWD Silver, Chrome 7 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 107052 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

2018 SUBARU FORESTER S5 2.5i AUTOMATIC - AWD - SUV # NEW ARRIVAL # TRAVELLED 107,102KMS # OCTOBER 2024 REGO # AUTOMATIC - AWD # 17'' ALLOY WHEELS # PUSH BUTTON START - CENTRAL LOCKING # ROOF RAILS/ ROOF RACKS INCLUDED # TOUCH SCREEN AUDIO - USB, AUX, CD # REVERSE CAMERA # MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL # CRUISE CONTROL - DISTANCE MONITORING # COLLISION WARNING # LANE MITIGATION # AMPLE CARGO SPACE # TINTED WINDOWS # TOW BAR FITTED # LOG BOOKS AND OWNERS MANUALS # BEAUTIFUL CAR - DRIVES SUPERB

$25,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
21 hours ago

Top2014 Subaru Forester S4 MY14 2.5i Lineartronic AWD Green 6 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 175210 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

Lovely and popular FORESTER with the 2.5 boxer motor. Subaru ALL WHEEL DRIVE and FULL SERVICE HISTORY FROM NEW. This has been well maintained and cared for. Perfect mid size SUV with space for dayyyys * FULL SERVICE HISTORY * 2.5 BOXER MOTOR * SMOOTH 6 SPEED AUTO * ELECTRIC WINDOWS AND MIRRORS * ICY COLD AIRCON * FOLD DOWN REAR SEATS * SPACIOUS BOOT * POPULAR CHOICE CLEAR PPSR PROVIDED FOR THIS CAR THAT CONFIRMS : *It’s NOT written Off *It’s NOT stolen *No Finance Owing *It’s not Hail

$15,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Victoria Park, WA

Dealer used
27/04/2024

Top2018 Subaru Forester S5 MY19 2.5i CVT AWD Silver 7 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 198225 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

2018 SUBARU FORESTER S5 2.5i AUTOMATIC - AWD - SUV # NEW ARRIVAL # PRICED TO SELL FAST!! # AWD - AUTOMATIC # TRAVELLED 198,225KMS # OCTOBER 2024 REGO # 17'' ALLOY WHEELS # PUSH BUTTON START - CENTRAL LOCKING # ROOF RAILS/ ROOF RACKS INCLUDED # TOUCH SCREEN AUDIO - USB, AUX, CD # REVERSE CAMERA # MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL # CRUISE CONTROL # AMPLE CARGO SPACE # TINTED WINDOWS # 2X LOG BOOKS AND OWNERS MANUALS # BEAUTIFUL CAR - DRIVES SUPERB. TEST DRIVE TODAY # WORKSHOP TESTED # FINANCE AV

$17,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
27/04/2024

Top2011 Subaru Forester S3 MY11 XT AWD Silver 4 Speed Sports Automatic Wagon

  • 239756 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

Turbo Charged Forester XT Wagon. With plenty of space in the back, powered by a reliable 2.5 TURBO CHARGED BOXER MOTOR and smooth shifting auto gearbox. This is not only a fun practical wagon, but a capable off road vehicle with ALL WHEEL DRIVE. * SERVICE BOOKS * REVERSE CAMERA * 2.5 TURBO BOXER MOTOR * STOCK STANDARD * ALL WHEEL DRIVE * PRACTICALITY OF A WAGON * FUN TO DRIVE CLEAR PPSR PROVIDED FOR THIS CAR THAT CONFIRMS : *It’s NOT written Off *It’s NOT stolen *No Finance Owing *It’s

$11,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Victoria Park, WA

Dealer used
19 hours ago

Top2004 Subaru Forester SG5 Cross Sports Wagon 5dr Auto 4sp 4WD 2.0T Silver Automatic Wagon

  • 48000 km
  • Wagon
  • Auto

We often get asked where are you located? You can now easily find Perths ONLY dealership under a HUGE digital billboard, East side of the Canning Bridge in Como…. We want your vehicle, ask us for a price today! Just arrived**Perth Based** Please genuine Enquiries only, as we are charged per lead*** Comos ONLY dedicated Car Dealership, scroll down to see our location in the fine print** Call 13 OO 251 283 to arrange a viewing now! We want your old car and even if we cannot help you with you

$19,971 Excl. Gov. Charges
Como, WA

Dealer used
Yesterday

Top2019 Subaru Forester S5 MY19 2.5i CVT AWD Red 7 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 131849 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

2019 SUBARU FORESTER S5 2.5i AUTOMATIC/CVT - AWD - SUV # NEW ARRIVAL # TRAVELLED 131819KMS # MARCH 2024 REGO # AUTOMATIC - AWD # 17'' ALLOY WHEELS # PUSH BUTTON START - CENTRAL LOCKING # ROOF RAILS # TOUCH SCREEN AUDIO - USB, AUX, CD # REVERSE CAMERA # MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL #LEATHER MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL - CRUISE CONTROL # AMPLE CARGO SPACE # TINTED WINDOWS # LOG BOOKS AND OWNERS MANUALS # WELL MAINTAINED VEHICLE - DRIVES SUPERB # WORKSHOP TESTED # FINANCE AVAILABLE T.A.P

$24,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
27/04/2024

2014 Subaru Forester MY14 2.5I-S Grey Continuous Variable Wagon

  • 133055 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

*12 month Warranty on all vehicles at an additional $500* All vehicles PPSR clear(No accident history or financial encumbrances) Finance available Trades welcome We welcome independent vehicle inspections on all our vehicles Call Tony O 416 1O 34 34 or come see us DNA Car Sales at 16 baretta rd Wangara We carry a full selection of 2WD, RWD, AWD, 4x4, 4WD, T/DIESEL, V6, 4CYINDER, V8 , PETROL, TURBO DIESEL, D/CABS, EXTRA CABS, SINGLE CABS, DUAL CABS, V6, T/DIESEL, LOW KMS, TRAY TOPS, UTES, AUTO

$19,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
2 hours ago

2014 Subaru Forester MY14 2.0I White 6 Speed Manual Wagon

  • 174230 km
  • SUV
  • Manual
  • 4 cyl 2.0L

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$12,991 Excl. Gov. Charges
Edgeworth, NSW

Dealer used
3 hours ago

2013 Subaru Forester S4 MY13 XT Lineartronic AWD Premium White 8 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 145675 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.0L

Call Ryan on..... mark on..... Call Jay on..... ?? Hunter Wholesale Cars is a family owned and operated business. We have extensive experience in the motor industry and love what we do. We are passionate about delivering you the best vehicle to suit your needs, if we don’t have it in stock we will find it for you. We highly value our customers needs and that’s why we offer only the best quality cars at very competitive prices. We can trade your old car in,

$17,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
4 hours ago

2019 Subaru Forester S5 MY20 2.5i CVT AWD White 7 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 122280 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

Call Ryan on..... mark on..... Call Jay on..... ?? Hunter Wholesale Cars is a family owned and operated business. We have extensive experience in the motor industry and love what we do. We are passionate about delivering you the best vehicle to suit your needs, if we don’t have it in stock we will find it for you. We highly value our customers needs and that’s why we offer only the best quality cars at very competitive prices. We can trade your old car in,

$23,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
6 hours ago

2010 Subaru Forester S3 MY10 XS AWD Premium Gold 4 Speed Sports Automatic Wagon

  • 177500 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

2010 SUBARU FORESTER XS PREMIUM AUTO AWD 2.5i WAGON # NEW ARRIVAL # TRAVELLED 177500KMS # IMMACULATE CONDITON - ONLY ONE PREVIOUS FUSSY OWNER # ALWAYS GARAGED - PAINT IS LIKE NEW # TOP OF THE RANGE - LARGE RANGE OF LUXURY FEATURES # FULL SERVICE HISTORY WITH SUBARU & 2 KEYS # SUNROOF # UPDATED SONY HEAD UNIT WITH BLUETOOTH # CRUISE CONTROL # WOODGRAIN INSERTS # FIRST TO DRIVE WILL BUY, BOOK YOUR TEST DRIVE TODAY & DON'T MISS THIS ONE # WORKSHOP TESTED # TRADE INS WELCOME & FINANCE T.A.P Call

$12,790 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
15 hours ago

2011 Subaru Forester S3 MY11 XT AWD Silver 4 Speed Sports Automatic Wagon

  • 239756 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

Turbo Charged Forester XT Wagon. With plenty of space in the back, powered by a reliable 2.5 TURBO CHARGED BOXER MOTOR and smooth shifting auto gearbox. This is not only a fun practical wagon, but a capable off road vehicle with ALL WHEEL DRIVE. * SERVICE BOOKS * REVERSE CAMERA * 2.5 TURBO BOXER MOTOR * STOCK STANDARD * ALL WHEEL DRIVE * PRACTICALITY OF A WAGON * FUN TO DRIVE CLEAR PPSR PROVIDED FOR THIS CAR THAT CONFIRMS : *It’s NOT written Off *It’s NOT stolen *No Finance Owing *It’s

$11,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Victoria Park, WA

Dealer used
19 hours ago

2018 Subaru Forester S5 MY19 2.5i CVT AWD Silver, Chrome 7 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 107052 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

2018 SUBARU FORESTER S5 2.5i AUTOMATIC - AWD - SUV # NEW ARRIVAL # TRAVELLED 107,102KMS # OCTOBER 2024 REGO # AUTOMATIC - AWD # 17'' ALLOY WHEELS # PUSH BUTTON START - CENTRAL LOCKING # ROOF RAILS/ ROOF RACKS INCLUDED # TOUCH SCREEN AUDIO - USB, AUX, CD # REVERSE CAMERA # MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL # CRUISE CONTROL - DISTANCE MONITORING # COLLISION WARNING # LANE MITIGATION # AMPLE CARGO SPACE # TINTED WINDOWS # TOW BAR FITTED # LOG BOOKS AND OWNERS MANUALS # BEAUTIFUL CAR - DRIVES SUPERB

$25,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
21 hours ago

2004 Subaru Forester SG5 Cross Sports Wagon 5dr Auto 4sp 4WD 2.0T Silver Automatic Wagon

  • 48000 km
  • Wagon
  • Auto

We often get asked where are you located? You can now easily find Perths ONLY dealership under a HUGE digital billboard, East side of the Canning Bridge in Como…. We want your vehicle, ask us for a price today! Just arrived**Perth Based** Please genuine Enquiries only, as we are charged per lead*** Comos ONLY dedicated Car Dealership, scroll down to see our location in the fine print** Call 13 OO 251 283 to arrange a viewing now! We want your old car and even if we cannot help you with you

$19,971 Excl. Gov. Charges
Como, WA

Dealer used
Yesterday

2016 Subaru Forester MY16 2.5I-L Bronze Continuous Variable Wagon

  • 77708 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

WELCOME TO CAR DEALER WE ARE LOCATED 107 TUDOR STREET HAMILTON NSW IN NEWCASTLE,1 HOUR AND 30 minutes NORTH OF SYDNEY. 2015 SUBARU FORSTER 2.5I-L MY16 5 DOOR, AUTOMATIC, FULL SERVICE HISTORY PROVIDED, 2 KEYS, ALLOY WHEELS, COLD AIR CON, POWER WINDOWS, VERY CLEAN AND STRAIGHT EXTERIOR, INTERIOR AND GREAT CONDITION, FULL CREDIT TO PREVIOUS OWNER VEHICLE ALSO COMES WITH A SAFETY INSPECTION REPORT. Vehicle price includes 5 YEARS MECHANICAL PROTECTION PLAN with endurance only condition is to be s

$22,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Hamilton, NSW

Dealer used
Yesterday

2015 Subaru Forester MY15 2.0D-L White Continuous Variable Wagon

  • 298200 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.0L

Thank You For Viewing This Vehicle. We are LOCATED at 47 Turton Rd Waratah 100 meters from Kmart Waratah and opposite WARATAH HIGH SCHOOL. Our Contact number is ******0277. 2015 Subaru Forester TURBO DIESEL Wagon Automatic with Airconditioning, Power Siteering Power Windows, ABS Brakes, Cruise Control, Dual Front & Side Airbags, Alloy Wheels, CD Player, Blue Tooth Phone Connectivity, Log Book Services and A Very Nice Vehicle to Drive. Dont Miss IT. NIce Car! PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT THIS VE

$10,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Waratah, NSW

Dealer used
Yesterday

2005 Subaru Forester Subaru Forester STI manual Blue Manual Wagon

  • 168268 km
  • Wagon
  • Manual

We often get asked where are you located? You can now easily find Perths ONLY dealership under a HUGE digital billboard, East side of the Canning Bridge in Como…. We want your vehicle, ask us for a price today! **Perth Based** Please genuine Enquiries only, as we are charged per lead*** Comos ONLY dedicated Car Dealership, scroll down to see our location in the fine print** Call 13 OO 251 283 to arrange a viewing now! We want your old car and even if we cannot help you with your new vehi

$26,971 Excl. Gov. Charges
Como, WA

Dealer used
Yesterday

2010 Subaru Forester XT Premium S3

  • 183819 km
  • Wagon
  • Manual
  • 4

*** FINANCE FROM $75 PER WEEK *** * 2 KEYS!! * LEATHER INTERIOR * TURBO POWER * REVERSING CAMERA * SERVICE HISTORY Introducing the exceptional 2010 Subaru Forester XT Premium S3, a remarkable fusion of performance, style, and safety. This unyielding powerhouse of a vehicle is sure to impress and stands out in a glossy, sleek black exterior finish that radiates elegance and sophistication. With an odometer reading of 183,819 kilometers, this magnificent vehicle is just beginning its journey,

$13,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
Yesterday

2015 Subaru Forester 2.5i-S S4

  • 192000 km
  • Wagon
  • Auto
  • 4

*** FINANCE FROM $90 PER WEEK *** * AWD * SMOOTH AUTO * REVERSE CAMERA * PUSH BUTTON START * CRUISE CONTROL Introducing a remarkable blend of sophistication, performance, and versatility; the 2015 Subaru Forester 2.5i-S S4 Wagon. This vehicle is not just a car, it's a lifestyle statement. A vision of style and utility, it is designed for those who crave adventure and prefer the unbeaten track. The rich, brown exterior is a testament to its raw power and elegance. This 2015 Subaru Forester

$14,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
Yesterday

2010 Subaru Forester MY10 XT Premium Silver, Chrome 4 Speed Auto Elec Sportshift Wagon

  • 266500 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

WELCOME TO CAR DEALER WE ARE LOCATED 12 LAMBTON RD, BROADMEADOW NSW 2292,1 HOUR AND 30 minutes NORTH OF SYDNEY. 2010 SUBARU FORESTER XT PREMIUM MY10, 2,5L TURBO/PETROL, AUTOMATIC, LEATHER INTERIOR, SUNROOF, NAVIGATION, REVERSE CAMERA, LOG BOOK SERVICE HISTORY, ROOF RACKS, ALLOY WHEELS, TEST DRIVE TODAY Vehicle price includes 5 YEARS WARRANTY INCLUDED with endurance only condition is to be service by a licence mechanic every 10,000 klms or 6 months which ever comes first. Vehicle comes with

$8,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Hamilton, NSW

Dealer used
28/04/2024

2014 Subaru Forester 2.5i S4

  • 175799 km
  • Wagon
  • Auto
  • 4

*** FINANCE FROM $80 PER WEEK *** * LUXURY * 2 KEYS * ORIGINAL LOG BOOKS AND SERVICE HISTORY * LEATHER * FAMOUS AWD Presenting the 2014 Subaru Forester 2.5i S4, a perfect embodiment of Subaru's renowned engineering and design prowess. This exceptional wagon model is a testament to Subaru's commitment to delivering high performance and uncompromised safety. With its sleek grey exterior and automatic transmission, this vehicle effortlessly combines style and functionality, making it the perfec

$13,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Wangara, WA

Dealer used
28/04/2024

2014 Subaru Forester S4 MY14 2.5i Lineartronic AWD Green 6 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 175210 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

Lovely and popular FORESTER with the 2.5 boxer motor. Subaru ALL WHEEL DRIVE and FULL SERVICE HISTORY FROM NEW. This has been well maintained and cared for. Perfect mid size SUV with space for dayyyys * FULL SERVICE HISTORY * 2.5 BOXER MOTOR * SMOOTH 6 SPEED AUTO * ELECTRIC WINDOWS AND MIRRORS * ICY COLD AIRCON * FOLD DOWN REAR SEATS * SPACIOUS BOOT * POPULAR CHOICE CLEAR PPSR PROVIDED FOR THIS CAR THAT CONFIRMS : *It’s NOT written Off *It’s NOT stolen *No Finance Owing *It’s not Hail

$15,999 Excl. Gov. Charges
Victoria Park, WA

Dealer used
27/04/2024

2018 Subaru Forester S5 MY19 2.5i CVT AWD Silver 7 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 198225 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

2018 SUBARU FORESTER S5 2.5i AUTOMATIC - AWD - SUV # NEW ARRIVAL # PRICED TO SELL FAST!! # AWD - AUTOMATIC # TRAVELLED 198,225KMS # OCTOBER 2024 REGO # 17'' ALLOY WHEELS # PUSH BUTTON START - CENTRAL LOCKING # ROOF RAILS/ ROOF RACKS INCLUDED # TOUCH SCREEN AUDIO - USB, AUX, CD # REVERSE CAMERA # MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL # CRUISE CONTROL # AMPLE CARGO SPACE # TINTED WINDOWS # 2X LOG BOOKS AND OWNERS MANUALS # BEAUTIFUL CAR - DRIVES SUPERB. TEST DRIVE TODAY # WORKSHOP TESTED # FINANCE AV

$17,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
27/04/2024

2019 Subaru Forester S5 MY19 2.5i CVT AWD Red 7 Speed Constant Variable Wagon

  • 131849 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.5L

2019 SUBARU FORESTER S5 2.5i AUTOMATIC/CVT - AWD - SUV # NEW ARRIVAL # TRAVELLED 131819KMS # MARCH 2024 REGO # AUTOMATIC - AWD # 17'' ALLOY WHEELS # PUSH BUTTON START - CENTRAL LOCKING # ROOF RAILS # TOUCH SCREEN AUDIO - USB, AUX, CD # REVERSE CAMERA # MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL #LEATHER MULTI FUNCTION STEERING WHEEL - CRUISE CONTROL # AMPLE CARGO SPACE # TINTED WINDOWS # LOG BOOKS AND OWNERS MANUALS # WELL MAINTAINED VEHICLE - DRIVES SUPERB # WORKSHOP TESTED # FINANCE AVAILABLE T.A.P

$24,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
27/04/2024

2016 Subaru Forester tS Special Edition STi 2.0L Turbo Wagon - AUTOMATIC

  • 91250 km
  • SUV
  • Auto
  • 4 cyl 2.0L

** PLEASE CALL TO BOOK A VIEWING ON THIS VEHICLE ** ** 1 OF 300 - LIMITED RELEASE STI FORESTER TURBO ** ** LOG BOOKS AND 2 KEYS ** ** SUBARU COLLECTORS DELIGHT - RARE STI FORESTER ** ** FINANCE AVAILABLE T.A.P ** ** FREE LOCAL TRANSPORT ** Rare and limited release Forester tS SPECIAL EDITION (AWD) in excellent condition both inside and out. There were only 300 of these made, and is essential an STi version of a Forester, with a powerful 4 cylinder turbo charged engine with a bunch of factor

$36,990 Excl. Gov. Charges
Mayfield West, NSW

Dealer used
27/04/2024

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Overview of the Subaru Forester

Overview of the Subaru Forester

Subaru joined the 'soft-roader' SUV club in 1997 when it used the platform of its famous Impreza small car as the basis for the Forester.

The model has become the Japanese brand's most popular model in Australia, as well as being one of the country's favourite SUVs.

Currently into its fourth generation, an all-new Forester has been unveiled and is due in late 2018.

SUBARU FORESTER GENERATIONS (SINCE 2002)

2002-2008

2009-2013

2013-2018

2018 (September) onwards

RUNNING COSTS

Fuel Consumption

2.0L 4-cylinder turbo diesel: 5.9 to 6.4 litres per 100km

2.0L 4-cylinder petrol: 7.2 litres per 100km

2.5L 4-cylinder petrol: 8.1 litres per 100km

2.0L 4-cylinder turbo petrol: 8.5 to 9.3 litres per 100km

= Highly economical.

= Good economy.

= Average fuel use.

= Heavy consumption.

Servicing

SIMILAR MODELS TO SUBARU FORESTER

WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR: SUBARU FORESTER (2013 ONWARDS)

The first check with any second-hand Subaru is of the service record. These engines are generally tough but use small oil pathways, and when these block with dirty oil, terminal damage isn't far away.

Like a lot of modern engine designs, the 2.0-litre non-turbo petrol engine can also consume a little oil between services. Subaru is not on its own here, and it's a fact that the latest engines with their low-friction designs aimed at saving fuel can use some oil.

Similarly, with modern engine designs, a lack of proper servicing can lead to a build-up of sludge and even higher oil consumption. Check the service record for gaps and check the dipstick for thick, black oil that suggests missed oil changes.

Some owners also report that the CVT transmission can be slow to select gears - particularly reverse - from park. Subaru dealers have been re-flashing the on-board computer to fix this, but in some cases the delay gradually gets worse again as time and kilometres pass.

While the Forester is all-wheel drive it's not a heavy-duty off-roader, so make sure it hasn't been used as one.